I was at an amazing meeting last week held by a woman who has a surprisingly similar story like mine.
She also has a ministry like one I believe God is calling me into right now too… and I learnt a lot from that meeting.
We were about rounding up when a conversation sprung up on “one would reap what they sowed” in line with sins a person had committed in the past.
Some persons were of the view that God would surely pay someone back for what they had done in the past and still others were of the view that we cannot pass such judgment because it is God’s prerogative to show mercy to whom He would show mercy to.
Our leader had a perfect answer for it but still as is usual with me, when something bugs me so much, I forget what people think and dig into the Word, while asking the Holy Spirit to give me His own answers.
Just a bit of some background info to those who are joining this blog for the first time.
I have shared my story here before…
I committed two abortions before I came to Christ Jesus, had a string of issues with pornography and masturbation… long road before I became sold out to God and now I am here.
You can watch the video where God led me to share my story on my youtube channel here or below
I have been sent emails/talked to some persons who feel like they did some stuff in their past that’s hunting them now.
I also have been plagued by such thoughts for a long time before I got the truth… so with the conversation on “you shall reap what you sow” going on last week, I felt compelled to get God’s Word on the matter.
So I started by asking God some questions… and I will work my way through to the answers I got.
So follow me…
(1) When you say that we are a new creation, is it that that new creation doesn’t erase everything that was before the present new?
How come the sins are washed away but then the consequences of the sin still manage to find their way in?
What happens with grace and the blood that is able to cleanse entirely?
Wasn’t it finished on the cross?
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
(2) Some persons cite that Paul’s hard ministry was as a result of his previous persecution of the jews.
So who’s to say that because ministry was totally hard for Paul, it was because of who he was before Christ?
Weren’t the other apostles hunted down too?
“Others had to suffer the trial of mocking and scourging and even chains and imprisonment.
They were stoned to death; they were lured with tempting offers [to renounce their faith]; they were sawn asunder; they were slaughtered by the sword; [while they were alive] they had to go about wrapped in the skins of sheep and goats, utterly destitute, oppressed, cruelly treatedâ”
Hebrews 11:36-37 AMP
And then the Bible says that God is a holy God, who visits the consequences of your actions upon your third, fourth generation.. But what happens when you repent, when you step out of that line?
But then He also says that He shall restore the years that the cankerworm has eaten…
“And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.”
Joel 2:25 KJV
What does restore mean?
It means “to bring back, to give back something that was lost or taken, to return to an earlier original condition by repairing it, cleaning it, etc”
So Romans 8:30 says:
“And those whom He thus foreordained, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified (acquitted, made righteous, putting them into right standing with Himself).
And those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity and condition or state of being].”
Justified means He acquitted, made righteous, put us into right standing with Himself…
How did He do this?
With His blood.
So my question is “can consequences of sin stand against this blood?
Or is this blood absolute as absolute can be?
And then this started ringing in my head…
“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;…
Revelation 12:11 KJV
By what blood?
The blood that makes anew, afresh, transforms, rejuvenates…
So how do I know that I who have killed two babies will still have kids?
Because blood (not just any blood, Jesus’ blood) has been exchanged for the one I shed.
But then some may argue…
Don’t say these kind of things, people will start taking God/grace for granted.
So how do we merge the grace and judgment side of God?
“Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off.”
“And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.
But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
The Lord isnât really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.”
2 Peter 3:7-9 NLT
And the famous “you reap what you sow verse”…
“Donât be misledâyou cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant.
Those who live only to satisfy their own sinful nature will harvest decay and death from that sinful nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit.”
Galatians 6:7-8 NLT
I cannot go into indepth study on how Galatians expressly says those who live to satisfy their sinful nature will reap from it as against those who live to please the Spirit (You can help me to break this down in the comment section).
So from the above verses we know that even if grace abounds right now, God knows what He is doing, and everyone who refuses to repent after these long moments of grace He is giving to us will perish.
So let’s go back to this person who is a new creature in Christ Jesus.
Will someone like me who is anew in Christ be punished for abortions I previously committed?
Let’s expatiate on the 2nd Corinthians verse I shared above…
“Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a new creation (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away.
Behold, the fresh and new has come! But all things are from God, Who through Jesus Christ reconciled us to Himself [received us into favor, brought us into harmony with Himself] and gave to us the ministry of reconciliation [that by word and deed we might aim to bring others into harmony with Him].
It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).”
2 Corinthians 5:17-19 AMP
I am only going to be picking up some words from that passage and sharing what I got…
So like was explained at the meeting I attended last week, even though we may have been cleansed from the past, there are some spiritual and maybe even physical consequences (womb lost, relationships shattered, etc) that may have arisen from our sin.
Some spiritual and physical things that may have been breached.
So what can we do about such things?
We can find the Word about them and apply the Word… and 2 Corinthians 5:17-19 in the Amplified version just hit the nail on the head for me.
Now it not only said that our old self has passed away, it made it clear that that means that our previous spiritual/moral condition has passed away.
What was it that we breached spiritually before?
What was it that morally/physically was taken away from us by our past sins?
(as an aside, there are some like relationship breached that we have to also take steps to resolve).
Because of what Jesus did on the cross!
“It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them]…”
But then why does the world keep screaming “you will pay for what you did in the past”?
satan the accuser of the brethren could accuse men and almost get away with it before Jesus came because there was no blood to speak for us.
But it still seems like people are weighed under the weight of past sins, condemnation and thoughts of punishment…
Well, whats happening is that we aren’t enforcing our victory.
Back to what I said up there on the blood…
“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;…
Revelation 12:11 KJV
They OVERCAME by the blood of the lamb…
Are you pleading the blood?
Do you know what Jesus’ blood means for you in light of the previous life you lived?
Are you using the blood as you should?
Revelation 12:10 before talking about overcoming by the blood of the Lamb says…
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
Revelation 12:10 KJV
Well we know how satan accuses us in our minds night and day.
How do you cast him down and pull down the stronghold of thoughts that don’t align with God’s Word?
The Bible says you can plead the blood and use the Word!
I am a new creature in Christ!
Everything about my old nature, consequences and all what not is gone, dead and gone!
That wasn’t me!
The Bible says that God has blotted out my transgressions and will remember them no more, so how can you satan tell me that He will remember to punish me when He doesn’t even remember the sin?
satan be gone!
You resist the devil and he will flee from you.
The authority of a believer!
I have been reading Frank Perretti’s “Piercing the darkness” and one of the things I am learning/is sinking down more is the weapon of the believer’s words.
It’s in our mouths.
Speak the Word.
Start pleading the blood all over your life, your future, your destiny.
When thoughts (its always thoughts) come about you not being able to do this/have this or that because you have done this/that in the past, don’t keep quiet, rise up with God’s word in you and enforce your authority in Christ Jesus!
I have named my kids, I pray for them, place my hands over my womb and lift them up to God in prayers.
And for future reference sake to show that faith works, their names are Deborah (my first daughter), Daniel (my first son) and David.
How’s that for another testimony to your defeat satan?
See my dears, God doesn’t wanna punish you… He loves you!
He loves you!
He has justified you!
He has acquitted you!
What does it mean to be acquitted?
It means that you are free!
Can one who is acquitted of a charged crime be punished when He has been set free of it?
Please I beg us all…
Any mails I get on fear of past sin and consequences will be redirected here.
Get the Word inside of you.
Plead the blood upon you and all yours and stay strong on your confessions…
You… you have the authority to allow satan mess with your head or not.
And as a big disclaimer: I dealt with the passages above on God being a just God to stop short the words of us abusing grace.
God isn’t mocked.
Grace doesn’t continue so sin should abound.
No one is to sin deliberately just because you know this truth…
But that still doesn’t detract from the truth that grace does cover our past and even present sins… if we would stand upon the word and plead the blood in faith.
Lord Jesus, thank you for your love, thank you for shedding your blood for me, thank you for grace.
I pray that you will teach me on what your death and resurrection did for me on the cross.
Open my eyes to see your truth… not the worlds’s truth, not someone else’s truth… but your very own truth about who I am and what I have in you.
Thank you Lord, in Jesus name I have prayed, amen.
I pray that for every question that bugs us, we would learn to go to God’s Word for His authority on it.
Don’t take my word on this post too, dig into the Word, ask the Holy Spirit some questions, and let Him give you His answers.
I am also interested in learning more about this topic.
On grace, past sins and arising consequences…
So please share your thoughts, let’s meet up in the comment section and learn from each other.
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NoelFebruary 10, 2016 at 4:14 pm
In concordance, I am meant to believe (by His Word) that God, haven known the extent to which man can go in his sinfulness, made the clarion call that:
[NIV] Isaiah 1:18 âCome now, let us settle the matter,â says the Lord. âThough your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.
Also, knowing that the consequences of sin is a defeated mindset (accusations by the accuser of the brethren) and ultimately death, clarified that:
(KJV) Romans 12 vs 2 And be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed by the RENEWING of your mind, that ye may learn to do what is that good, and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Then, dealing a blow to the detriment of Satan, He said:
(KJV) II Chr. 7 vs 14 If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
So, the fact that there are the “washing of sins” and “healing of the land” justify the fact that consequences of sins, upon repentance, are foregone by the Lamb (Yeah, that’s how gentle He is).
Thanks for this ‘wisdom-full’ piece, Frances. God bless you.
Frances OkoroFebruary 10, 2016 at 6:23 pm
Thank you Noel…
Emphasis on “heal their land”
Heal our land…
Heal our lives… if we would only learn to do the things preceeding the “heal our land”, pray, reason together, let Him wash the sins off and let them stay forgotten.
Thanks again Noel!
christineFebruary 10, 2016 at 8:52 pm
Hi, it’s like God just used you to remove a very big burden from my heart. I’m very grateful. I didn’t want to click on it but the title attracted me and I’ve been blessed. God bless you very much. More grace to you.
Frances OkoroFebruary 11, 2016 at 7:55 am
I’m so glad that God’s Word came through to you here…that’s what He does each and everytime…lifting us out of depression, lies and satan’s accusations
hold on to the truth, study more, get rooted in it more.
Glad to have you here for the first time.
ExceptionalstarFebruary 11, 2016 at 12:17 pm
It really helped my struggle. God bless you.
Frances OkoroFebruary 12, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Thank God Esther… #grateful for this feedback…
IreneFebruary 11, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Dear Frances, I appreciate the extensive exposition you have taken time and effort to write on this subject. It will surely be a blessing to everyone whose heart has been plagued by these questions, and who have been assailed by the accusations of the devil and of men.
The Bible is apt when it says that we shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free; free from the bondage the enemy seeks to put us in.
I would like to share some thoughts on this subject.
1. Does God categorise sins?
I dare to say No. Sin is sin before God. Every time we disobey God and act contrary to His instructions and will, we are sinning against God. If we consider the rippling effects of the lies we tell, and the impact of the cruel words we speak or gossip we spread on lives, then we will realise that many of us are destroying lives on a daily basis. We can destroy lives by our words just as much as we can destroy lives by actions.
2. If anyone says he has no sin, he lies. He is deceiving and fooling himself. BUT, if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us all our sins and cleanse us from our wickedness (paraphrased from 1John 1:8-9).
3. I love the way God always provide clauses and conditions not only for His blessings but also for His judgment; His part and our part. As indicated in the “IFs”
– If we confess our sins…
– if anyone is in Christ…
– if you stop trusting….
– if you live according to the flesh …
We need to take God at His Word and use His Word to answer every accusations of the devil and of men.
I must also say that it is necessary to accept God’s forgiveness by forgiving yourself and living in the consciousness of the finished work that bought / brought you your forgiveness. They are many who can’t get past their past because they have not accepted God’s forgiveness and forgive themselves.
Praise be to God Who has made provision for our sins, past, present and future, IF we acknowledge and confess them.
Keep confessing the truth of God’s word over your life. I look forward to rejoicing with you when your children arrive.
God bless you for the passion and boldness with which you share your story of God’s redemption.
Frances OkoroFebruary 17, 2016 at 10:26 pm
Aunty Irene, your words tugged on my heart… you will be sure to know when D, D and D arrives… thank you sooo much for your words on this subject too ma’am.
I am very cognizant of the lack of self forgiveness, it held me bound for a long time. I pray we walk in the grace God has afforded us and indeed walk in the freedom the Word has given us already. God bless you ma.
ItunuFebruary 11, 2016 at 6:41 pm
Yea, I remember someone asking me something close to this aka if He could be reaping consequences of past sins. The thoughts are bound to come as per our human nature and Satan as you have mentioned, the accuser of the brethren doesn’t stop bringing such thoughts into our heart.
Here’s my own understanding of the whole thing:
Yes, He makes all things new and restores all things. Love does not keep record of wrongs. Its not like our human nature that’s bound to retaliate or expect a ‘nemesis’ or karma or the rubbish the world believes. God has forgiven, He holds nothing back. It’s a clean slate. There’s no shadow of turning with him.
But let me give an example. Someone commits murder and gives his Life to Jesus. Because He’s still on earth, He has to face the authorities here and they will decide his penalty. Or if he’s already in prison and comes to believe, I believe God will grant Him the strength to carry on in the prison. Its just like a teenage girl who gets pregnant and repents. The child isn’t going to go away because it’s there. She’s going to bear the baby and God will grant her the strength to carry through. All I’m saying is anything that has to do with human affairs(or better said the ‘affairs of men’ Yes we might not be able to escape what we did but God is always there to strengthen us and make it bearable. He won’t allow us pass through what we can’t handle.
As for other cases of people who have had past lives of sin, the thoughts will come of course. They wont suddenly disappear. The guilt might even want to bring one down but this is where the Holy Spirit comes in and helps. Counselor and comforter and healer. The scars are part of us but we cant keep cutting it open. We have to keep allowing Him to work on our hearts till its completely healed and no scar is seen anymore.
And that’s why when you quoted Rev 12v11, I wanted you to quote it completely.
it says, And we overcame Him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of our testimony and we LOVED NOT our lives to the death. That’s how it starts. We no longer love ourselves because we have learned to hate our lives that we might gain Christ. The more we learn to follow him, the more we learn the way of death to self. The more we learn to love like Him and be Led by His Spirit, the more we die daily up to the extent that we no longer value our lives as anything. We are becoming more like Jesus because HE said,”He who loves His life will lose it, and he that hates his life will find it. It doesn’t take a day to do this, but the more we ‘obey’ the more the flesh has no power over us anymore and it dies. And then even our past cannot have its way into our thoughts or at the back of our minds anymore.
I hope I haven’t confused you sha. lol. But you’ve been given life and so live abundantly dear Frances 🙂
Frances OkoroFebruary 17, 2016 at 10:05 pm
Loool @ confused me…
no Itunu..thankful for your comment.
Life…the Word was in it.